May 29, 2009
A few ruminations about judging without empathy (and sentencing by computers)
While some SCOTUS nominee "empathy" discussion has been silly, the basic debate over the role of empathy in judging has a number of interesting facets. The folks at The Volokh Conspiracy, for example, have been talking through the issue in interesting ways in these recent posts:
- Doctrinally Relevant Empathy and Doctrinally Irrelevant Empathy
Though I do not want to jump too deeply into the whole "empathy" debate, I cannot help but ruminate a bit on whether we would find it appealing to have judges without any empathy. Specifically, I am wondering if most folks would be comfortable and content being judged in various settings by a sophisticated computer rather than by a human being. Candidly, I do not have a certain answer or strong instinct about whether I would generally prefer being judged by sophisticated computers rather than by smart humans. Like all good questions, my answer to this query might just be "It depends."
Usefully, sports provide an interesting example of one setting in which judging by computers seems preferable to judging by humans. As tennis fans know, disputed line calls in high-profile events are now judged by Hawk-Eye, a sophisticated ball-tracking system that reports whether a shot was in or out. My sense is that, because the criteria are objective and simple, having judging done by sophisticated computers is an improvement over judging done by humans in tennis line-calls.
But, of course, most legal decisions are not as simple as the in/out call in tennis. To continue the sports metaphor, we might say legal decisions are more like pass interference calls in football, with multiple dynamic (and subjective?) factors often in play (e.g., who initiated contact, was the contact excessive, was the ball catchable). In addition to being unsure if NFL officials should have empathy for certain players or teams — the Detroit Lions could sure use help — I am also unsure if I would want a computer making pass interference calls from a skybox rather than the human ref on the field.
To give this all a sentencing spin, recall some interesting comments by Judge Marvin Frankel nearly 40 years ago when he was complaining about judicial sentencing disparity. In Criminal Sentences: Law without Order (1972), Judge Frankel called for the creation of a "code of penal law" to "prescribe guidelines for the application and assessment" of the "numerous factors affecting the lengthy or severity of sentences." (p. 113.) In so doing, he raised the specter of sentencing by computers in this nuanced way (at pp. 114-115):
It is not necessary, or desirable, to imagine that sentencing can be completely computerized. At the same time, the possibility of using computers as an aid toward orderly thought in sentencing need not be discounted in advance.... [T]his does not envisage the displacement of people by machines. The need for delicate and difficult judgments will remain for as long as a future as is now imaginable. What will change, we might hope, is the uncharted expanse in which such judgments are now undertaken.
In light of the empathy debate, I find its still timely to wonder if we would want any arena of judging under the law to become "completely computerized." And, in light of decades of state and federal experiences with guidelines designed to influence "delicate and difficult" sentencing judgments, it is also timely to wonder more energy might now be put toward Judge Frankel's suggested "possibility of using computers as an aid toward orderly thought in sentencing."
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Doug, why do you link to that awful blog, and why oh why do I click on the link when I know better. Volokh and Co are unmitigated idiots. Period.
Here we go again with lawyers spouting off on psychology when it is a topic on which they were never trained and know absolutely nothing about. When I first heard the term empathy re SCOTUS my mind simply tuned it out. My assumption was simply that like so many things it was a code word for something else and that no one in their right mind would think that empathy was a criteria pro or con for a SCOTUS nominee. I should have known better. Were dealing with lawyers here, after all.
But alas, I know the drill. Lawyers will take empathy and mean whatever the hell they want to mean by that term and everyone else should just butt out.
Posted by: Daniel | May 29, 2009 6:20:21 PM
Daniel: Empathy is lawyer code for the transfer of assets from productive people, mostly to lawyers, with the low life lawyer client as an excuse. This is at the point of a gun. The lawyer has zero empathy for the non-client, the civil defendant (the lawyer cries buckets for the criminal defendant), the public, especially, the tiny fraction of the public that pays taxes. It is a synonym for lawyer blood sucking.
Posted by: Supremacy Claus | May 29, 2009 10:20:29 PM
Empathy violates the Equal Protection rights of less attractive defendants. General ugliness has yet to become a lawyer privileged pretext to plunder employers, but it soon will be. Empathy also brings the common law into the criminal law, a violation of legality (Hudson, 1812). The cases ending sentencing guidelines do as well.
The criminal lover lawyer is absolutely heartless when it comes to past and future crime victims. He boohoos only for the vicious predator that provides the lawyer with a job.
Posted by: Supremacy Claus | May 30, 2009 5:33:31 AM
Doug, There is a cert petition pending in SCOTUS with a bit of a connection to the "empathy" discussion, Narron v North Carolina, filed May 5. Last Thursday the Court directed the Attorney General to respond.
The issue is whether a result on a machine, the Intoxilyzer used in driving while impaired cases, creates an irrebutable presumption of guilt. I've been working with the attorney representing the petitioner, Matt Davenport, and the pitch is that there is still a place for juries to decide disputed facts in this technological era of computers and machines.
Posted by: bruce cunningham | May 30, 2009 8:32:29 AM
Bruce: For $10,000, any half competent lawyer, taking 10 minutes on the internet, will beat any machine test in court. The list of variables, and the technical aspects that can result in a false reading is nearly infinite. Any lawyer can trip up the police on the stand. And if that fails, how about the Binaca Blast defense? If that fails, demand the code in the machine. It will be refused. Then demand a mistrial.
See these guys. They found 19,000 errors in the code.
Why is empathy necessary?
Any result on a machine should create an irrebutable presumption of malfunction. Empathy is lawyer code for lawyer blood sucking. Why do we have to bring it in if technology is involved?
Posted by: Supremacy Claus | May 30, 2009 10:15:20 AM
S C and Bruce, I agree, but I wish to point out, you have to have $10,000. Or more, for any good defense. So, where is justice? Why are we even discussing anything, when money buys freedom in America, and poor people do not actually have a defense without vast amounts of money?
Posted by: DL | May 30, 2009 10:39:49 AM
DL: The lawyer should be paid for his skill and time, when providing value, not rent. Your point is correct, there is unfairness. I do not have a good solution for disparity of outcome by income.
It is worse than that, even for the wealthy. A guilty verdict may save the life of the defendant, if the judge orders him into treatment and off the road. I would be curious about the follow up of the defendants of these slick DUI specialists. How many were hurt because their lawyers were so aggressive? If I were a lawyer, and my client shows up drunk to a preparation session, I would advise a plea deal, rather than total victory. Because one can does not mean one should.
My interest is upstream. All law is unauthorized human experimentation. If you set a blood alcohol level by statute, it should have been proven safe and effective in testing in small jurisdictions. Scientific validity is embedded in the Equal Protection Clause, since part of validity is repeatability, a synonym for equal treatment. Show a blood alcohol level rule reduces harm in a small jurisdiction, then pass it in the larger one. Prove the reduction in injury came from the rule, and not from advances in trauma care.
An Amendment should be enacted to have a science review board, as a fourth co-equal branch overturn law, regulation, and court decision if it violates basic science tenets. It should be apolitical. Any member furthering a political agenda should be charged with a crime. That branch of non-lawyers would provide cover for the lawyer.
Posted by: Supremacy Claus | May 30, 2009 11:04:30 AM
An e-judging system's big advantage could well derive from the fresh start it would entail.
Especially if the humans who'd program it were immersed in empathy training before starting their task.
The training should expose them to mock, but true-to-life, interrogation and plea-bargaining sessions. It should include spending at least seven days incognito in a federal pen.
My bet is the subsequent computer-dispensed punishments would come much closer to fitting the crimes than the seemingly arbitrary, stunningly harsh sentences that emerged from the last attempt at a mechanistic, if not computerized, system.
If the sentencing guidelines had been concocted to produce justice outcomes, that kind of empathy training could have helped a lot.
But of course the guidelines were designed instead to cut judges out of the loop and empower prosecutors to efficiently leverage plea agreements. So unless that goal changes, why bother with computers?
Posted by: John K | May 30, 2009 11:53:34 AM
Your every post drips with empathy for crime victims and non-lawyers. Someone with a more scientific mind would view our legal and penal systems with dispassion, but not you: it is obvious that every fiber of your being contains limitless empathy for those unfortunate souls forced to share the world with criminals and rent-seeking lawyers.
I would not dare to criticize such bottomless compassion, but tell me: how can we trust the words of someone whose judgment is so clouded by empathy?
Posted by: CN | May 30, 2009 3:28:09 PM
I love the lawyer. There is no greater love than a love great enough to correct.
It is the lawyer I love. The utter failure of every goal of every law subject is deeply moving to me. I want to help.
Posted by: Supremacy Claus | May 30, 2009 6:22:10 PM
CN: Also, Prof. B has yet to try this advocacy trick. I have yet to try it on him.
I can do this and be just as fresh. I bet he cannot, being a cult indoctrination victim. It is not in there for him. For example, he has yet to respond to the idiotically easy request, say the V word. He can't. We would need an ambulance standing by if decided to try it. I think a $million retainer could not make him say that word, in the criminal law. In a tort tribunal? He would be repeatedly shouting it, and crying buckets of tears in front of the world's press.
Posted by: Supremacy Claus | May 30, 2009 6:28:53 PM
Probably the first computerized sentencing factor will be actuarial risk prediction.
Static Cling?: Seventh Circuit Doubts Reliability of STATIC-99 Results In Recent Opinion (from EvidenceProf Blog).
Posted by: anon | May 31, 2009 11:21:29 AM
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